Does Vancouver's NPA stand a chance in the fall civic election?

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Francis Wong, Jason Lamarche join NPA mayoral candidate Suzanne Anton at Canucks rally

With summer almost here, the November municipal election is probably the last thing on your mind. Except if you are the NPA, Vancouver’s civic centre-right political party. They held their nomination meeting this past Saturday to fill their slate to run in the fall. Civic elections aren’t always the most exciting things, but the recent races in Toronto and Calgary, with their unlikely outcomes, had the whole country talking. Will Vancouver continue this trend? Only if the NPA has a real chance of beating Gregor Robertson and his team.

There is no lack of criticism against Robertson and his Vision Vancouver party. While taxes go up, council’s priorities are occupied with ripping out car lanes for bike lanes, re-zoning the city to accommodate backyard chickens and cultivating bee hives on the roof of city hall. The bungling of the Olympic village and high price tag to taxpayers has caused a lot of frustration.

Vision’s term in office is characterized by an obsession with bizarre, expensive pet projects and avoiding tackling the big issues.

Suzanne Anton is the NPA’s candidate for Mayor. She has been a councillor since 2005 and has established herself as a lone voice of credible opposition.

Anton has to present a different agenda for the city. She can only win the election on substance. If it is a contest between styles, Robertson will easily win since his strengths are in his charisma and political personality. If it’s a battle of ideas, the NPA can win, but if it’s a popularity contest, they don’t stand much of a chance.

It’s up to the NPA to drive the agenda and make this election about ideas and better policy.

To do this, they’ll need to focus on issues that matter to people’s everyday lives, like taxes, commuting and crime. While timely given the playoffs, Anton’s recent demand for funding from Ottawa and Victoria for street parties lacks this focus.

Anton will have to step out of the city hall bubble, replace her councillor hat with her candidate hat and start talking about voter’s priorities.

- Post by Kathryn Marshall. She is a writer and broadcast commentator on Canadian politics and current affairs. Kathryn has worked on political campaigns across the country at all levels of government. She is originally from London, Ontario and has also lived in Quebec, British Columbia and Alberta. Kathryn has a BA in Women’s Studies from the University of Western Ontario and is currently completing a Law degree at the University of Calgary. Before Law School she worked for the Fraser Institute, Canada`s largest think tank.You can follower her on Twitter @kvmarshall.

This column first appeared in 24 Hours Vancouver on Monday, June 6, 2011.

100 Comments

The Olympic Village disaster was under the NPA city government long before Vision Vancouver. Vision Vancouver was just left to clean up the mess. It was an NPA city government that went for the P3 that cost taxpayers millions and millions of dollars and failed miserably when the private company bailed. Just shows you should never go for P3s.

You are right about P3s, they are one of the most effective means of transferring public wealth into private pockets since the tax farmers of pre-revolutionary France.

However, the blame for the OV fiasco is spread out right back to the administration of Vision founder Larry Campbell, as you must surely know very well, and the people who made the first decision to put the wrong development in the wrong place must surely take the lion's share of blame.

As to the actual subject of the article, this is a Teflon Mayor with huge resources behind him, I don't envy Ms Anton's situation. As a public performer Robertson is very effective, as long as he is on message and sticks to the script. If she can burst that bubble and expose the evasive, hesitant, opportunist inside, she may have a chance.

I must be one of the few who don't find Robertson charismatic in the least. I'm sure many find him easy on the eyes, but that isn't the same thing. His speaking style hasn't improved despite holding public office for several years.

As to the rest of the Vision candidates, Reimer has a personality, but not always in the best sense and Meggs has the union/cyclist vote but I can see the rest as vulnerable. The only advantage they have is incumbency.

Still, it will be an uphill road for Anton and it would be a shame to lose her on council for a losing mayoralty run.

The Thought of The Evening

"Based on this editorial, Kathryn Marshall must be a Natural Blonde. Allowing it in here though, makes Daniel Fontaine a Natural Bald. Sorry, but my mama always told me to tell the truth."

Starting with the title:

'Does Vancouver's NPA stand a chance in the fall civic election?'

Gee, I dunno, that...is stupid on so many levels, in its foolishness it's almost wonderful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnJlrbfWQao

If someone would ever ask me to explain the expression “to shoot yourself in the foot” I would refer to this article, no question about that.

But hey, Mea Colpa, all Kathryn's "expertise' was apparently acquired while 'globetrotting' around the country jumping from province to province ending with a stunt at the Fraser Institute. Wow! Fraser Institute, that Pillar of Manufactured Bullshit and Innuendo, renowned for its Right Wing Campbellite agenda.

Then Daniel , posts a picture of three NPA candidates... not facing the camera...not even talking to each other...or other people, but using their gizmos probably twitting along in the Twitter world of their own.

How stupid is that? Now you tell me, why did Heather Deal and Andrea Reimer get into trouble recently? ...My point exactly.

And to top it all, they were all dressed in oversized Canucks shirts. Their allegiance on their backs, First Canucks...second The City of Vancouver. Hey Daniel, you should have paid attention to the comments of the past two days. People were angry at these people, concentrated too much on sports and on their own Facebook lives, instead on the civic issues. People are laughing at them and not with them.

Back to Kathryn.
The whole article is a short recap of things I read in the past three years a hundred times. Fluff. Then, she portrays Robertson as being charismatic and having a political personality.
A little break here, please, to puke inside my mouth.
Excuse me Kate, but what exactly is a political personality. How do one gets one? How much does it cost? Robertson has as much charisma and personality as Paris Hilton has virginal territory.

Then,(drum rolls) she brings in... the divider. The decider.
“If it’s a battle of ideas, the NPA can win, but if it’s a popularity contest, they don’t stand much of a chance.”

It’s none of them darling. No ideas and no popularity. The ideas could all be beautifully crafted lies, and as for popularity, unless they do a lap dance contest...yikes.

“Anton will have to step out of the city hall bubble, replace her councillor hat with her candidate hat and start talking about voter’s priorities.”

Ladies and Gentlemen, with this piece of constructive criticism she buries Anton kindly, killing her...slowly.
Common. Give me a break.
Me? I would have been more frank about this
“Anton will have to pull her head out of her arse, replace it with another head, a bigger head, and smell the roses and the lilies before shoving it back in.”

What were you thinking, Daniel? I tell you. You should have left it in the 24H, good lining for today's garbage bin. Let's hope not too many people are going to come across this diamond in the rough. And fingers crossed, not in here. No really now, what were you thinking?

We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

Sorry Catherine:

Robertson and Vision and their followers for that matter need to start taking responsibility for their hand in the Oly Village fiasco.

It is under Vision's watch that Millenium was pushed into bankruptcy, it was their decision to cut down on the social housing units, it was their decision to offer subsidized units to the 911 responders and those all important teachers (nothing like pandering to the union vote), it is under their watch that a good portion of thoses social housing units are still sitting empty and costing us taxpayers roughly $200K/month.

It is because of the constant negative messaging that Robertson and Vision put out about the Oly village that sales ground to a halt. They were responsible and they need to wear it.

They also lied about the finances.

Robertson's and Vision's hands are far from clean when it comes to the mismanagement of this project.

As for P3's, the Province now enjoys many projects as a result of P3s that have come in on time, or sooner, and on budget.

Unlike the Fast Ferries that were finally delivered 3 years past the deadline and 100's of millions over budget.

Bob,

You are not alone. I don't find Robertson's metrosexual look attractive. Peel away the expensive suit and you are left with a flat personality.

And let's face it, he is not that bright.

What he has going for him - people with money and an agenda.

The NPA may have an uphill battle, but they are offering up a good slate of candidates with a great cross section of buiness and experience.

They may not take Robertson down this go around as you have many that still follow him blindly, but they should get enough seats be able to bring balance and democracy back to council.

Bob and Max
If you look at Gregor's Facebook page you'll see statements from woman fawning all over him.... get some dignity girls!!

Looks fade, and while it serves him now to distract from his inability to maintain a cohesive thought process without his speaking notes..in time.. he will be old and wrinkled like the rest of us...

I met Francis Wong at the last NPA pub night.

He is bright, financially articulate and believes in family values.

It was refreshing speaking with him

He has got my vote.

Sorry Max, there is more than enouhg blame on the Olympic Village to go around and a lot of it sticks to the NPA including people who are running in this election.

If "car lanes for bike lanes, re-zoning the city to accommodate backyard chickens and cultivating bee hives on the roof of city hall. The bungling of the Olympic village and high price tag to taxpayers" are the NPA's key messages then they have a losing platform. If they are going to run a negative smear filled platform and not talk about their actual ideas and policies then they deserve to get routed again. The above column gives me zero confidence.

Fortunately, their are some people running (Mike Klassen and Sean Bickerton for sure, the others I need to do more research on) that I want to see elected. (Yes, I know Mike is part of CityCaucus and slings mud with the best, but if you read what he writes he also has important ideas that address real issues).

Let's talk about real issues and real policy choices.

1. What can the city do about affordability?

2. What can the city do about homelessess?

3. Do we want to encourage use of bikes, walking and transit (as an integrated system) and how do we do it?

4. How do we handle waste and water over the next 30 years?

5. How do we make sure the citiy's finances are sustainable?

6. How do we build solid relations with the rest of the GVRD?

And I for one want to see a lot more bike lanes, local gardens and backyard chicken coups. Bees too. Can Vancouver have net positive productivity? (In ecosytem terms.)

I see the Province is building a new seniors housing complex at 8th and Vine.
****
In a part of Vancouver better known for its escalating real estate prices than its affordable housing, a new development is taking shape. Thirty new homes for low- to moderate-income seniors and people with disabilities are being created at the corner of 8th Avenue and Vine Street as part of the Seniors’ Rental Housing initiative.

@ Steven et al

I read your post with interest and must concur with much of what you wrote, perticularly developing an integrated transportation system.

Developing bike lanes or any other type of infratstructure in isolation will never allow us to progress. Alas, we see the result of that isolationist mentality in force every day, whether it be bike lanes, busses or rapid transit, trams or pedestrian right of ways.

I feel strongly that we need to look
at new technologies and strategies to encourage modes of transport, food production and water reclamation.

For example, I know that new, very effective technologies exist to treat waste water and reclaim for use for a variety of purposes including potable water.

We need to ensure new hi density developments have components for public space, recreational facilities and common gardens. (An important community component, now left out of current proposed and approved projects)

We need to ensure schools are able to accomodate the increase in population.

We need to work with communities to promote sustainability NOT impose it.


Just a few of the myriad of issues that are on the table but need some sort of address in a sensitive, thoughtful and innovative manner.

Good ideas no no politics they just know success!

Steven with all due respect. When does accusing someone of "slinging mud" become the very act of slinging mud itself? Think of that for a while as you ponder the larger issues you claim to want to discuss.

"And I for one want to see a lot more bike lanes, local gardens and backyard chicken coups. Bees too."

You're in luck! The current administration has demonstrated they don't have a clue how to deal with the difficult issues 1 - 6 you listed but aced bike lanes, local gardens etc. Keep those expectations low and you won't be disappointed.

Some things make you smile:


Homeless Canuck fans watch playoffs in parkade
Rabbit ears feed 10-inch TV


Read more: http://www.vancourier.com/sports/Homeless+Canuck+fans+watch+playoffs+parkade/4911978/story.html#ixzz1OiW58zUt

Just read what Mike writes.

Wow, Max, that was a great picture! In the sense that it was candidly true of the present situation in Vancouver.
That would have made a great picture for this story.
I have to agree with Glissando on this one, your choice of picture and copy was foolish IMHO.
"Then Daniel , posts a picture of three NPA candidates... not facing the camera...not even talking to each other...or other people, but using their gizmos probably twitting along in the Twitter world of their own.
How stupid is that? Now you tell me, why did Heather Deal and Andrea Reimer get into trouble recently? ...My point exactly."
True. So true.
CityCaucus should focus its messaging on Vision's flaws, lack of character, false promises, indulgences and waste... and highlight the NPA strengths and objectivity, gloves off. But sure, don't listen to any of us. Do it Sammy Sullivan style.

And I am pretty sure Mike is proud of his partisanship. Some people think that politics is a blood sport and that as there is a lot at stake we should be as brutal as possible. That is the PM's style - develop wedge issues, use attack ads. It may well be that Mike's passion for the city also drives his attacks. I think most of the attacks are misguided and often irrelevant to the actual issues. But we are whole people.

Or maybe CityCauscus could actually do what is claims to do and discuss real issues, policies, alternatives. If it is just a mouth piece for the NPA I can go to the NPA website.

Steve, why do we always need to put an opinion into a political box? I am sure within both the NPA and Vision there is a full range of opinion and in many cases, an overlap where supports of one or the other could actually be interchangeable. Every media - including TV, radio, newspaper and blogs, have a political slant. How can it be anything else when it has an editorial component?

Instead of slamming people for it - accept it for what it is and balance your diet of information with news and views from other sources rather than insisting people not have an opinion.

Its time to end this Label game.

Sorry Steven but Vision brought it on themselves. Politics have become a blood sport. That's how they got in. Remember the missing, stolen in-camera document?
Not to speak about the biggest bookie in town, their pal Solomon, that was organizing donations from the bottom of his generous heart. What's he doing here, in town, he is only an American down from his Cortes retreat, lost in the big green city. But that's how you guys (Vision) operate, you take it away through lies and wash it in dirty money, put your people on the best jobs, and then cry wolf when you are caught and fingered and scream bloody murder when you are taken down. I say youo deserve it. No mercy.

Steven ...
you are losing all credibility very quickly, and are stooping to a very low level... your thoughts and opinions no longer have any validity...you've become a thug... or were those always your true colors and style..

@Steven, on this one you're full of Vision voodoo, my friend.

"Attacks"? "Proud" of partisanship? "PM style"? Give me a break.

Sounds like you been reading too much Vancouver Observer. Vision's newspaper singles me out because I've asked questions about the funding behind their whole social change movement. It makes them uncomfortable because "accountability" is a missing word in the Vision vocabulary.

I'm flattered by the attention, frankly. However, in their most recent trash piece they forgot that I shot a man in Reno once just to watch him die.

I look forward to a full-fledged discussion on how we move Vancouver out of neutral and into the 21st Century.

Thankfully, I now have 20 fellow NPA candidates running alongside me, and they're a formidable team of community-minded folks passionate for Vancouver. It's going to be fun.

"I look forward to a full-fledged discussion on how we move Vancouver out of neutral and into the 21st Century."

Well that would be a switch... after the last 8 months wading through this blog I have yet to see CCMike (and his sycophantic followers) actually discuss issues without twisting facts and slinging mud at VV and their supporters on any and all occasions - simply a one trick pony.

It will be refreshing (and entertaining) when Mike needs to articulate real solutions to the voting public for a change, and I'll be on the edge of my seat if it happens. But I strongly suspect that it is many months away before he and his party actually have something cohesive to say on the important issues since the vast majority of the 20 NPAers are rookies …. in the meantime, yawn.

Buddy, head back over to a Vision friendly blog - one where you don't have to think, just say yes along with the rest of the Visionistas.

As for 'slinging mud' or 'twisting facts' - Vision needs no help, they have mastered both and because of that, they offer the rest of us something to discuss and in most cases, laugh at.

Or did you not get the 'tweet' from Heather Deal????

ccrider... new moniker? the yawn gives you away...

we enjoy this blog and each other...

jerks like you.. we don't really like you either..go find your sanctimonious ilk elsewhere...

Funny George-

I thought the same....:)

From George:

"jerks like you.. we don't really like you either..go find your sanctimonious ilk elsewhere..."

From the CC 'about us' page:

"we hope you will participate in "the conversation" by providing comments that stick to the issues, and do not stoop to name-calling or personal attacks. We won't always agree with each other, but the interchange must always be civil."

Zero for three.

Sorry Chris your opinion stopped mattering to me a long time ago...

and there are many others that I think will concur... your opinions and some of your cycling extremist buddies are soooo sanctimonious...AGT got you nailed so right on the money...

Go preach elsewhere your opinion matters not... when I get the word from our humble editor, or other of CC posters, not of your agenda driven crew, then I might take your comments seriously.

Until then... go ride your bike big fella, I have more important things to worry about!!

Like helping my fellow human beings... 1 soul at a time...

I'm more multifaceted than your one pony ride agenda.. it makes me laugh at your crap!!

Funny you can dish it out, but you sure have trouble listening to some raw truths..

Just for the record Chris.. only the small minded petty individuals in life keep score..."just sayin"

@Chris

Like most of the human race I prefer people who, under provocation, are willing to throw an honest verbal punch to the smug passive/aggressive type, dripping with self righteousness.

Beware the smyler with a knyfe in his cloke.

Chris .. after careful reflection, I agree you are absolutely right... I never should have called anyone a jerk..The bigger man always knows when to apologize.

George said..
"jerks like you.

I would like to apologize and change that statement to...

Pompass Bullies, like you..I hope that makes the sanctimonious feel vindicated..funny that conversation wasn't even between you and I Chris..

I have a funny story to share wit you Chris... the other day you rode past me on the street.. I smiled and said hello... you gave me a dirty look as if to say "who are you to speak to me"...trying to be nice to you has never worked Chris... why is that?

":I have a funny story to share wit you Chris... the other day you rode past me on the street.. I smiled and said hello... you gave me a dirty look as if to say "who are you to speak to me""

When and where? Details please. It may not have been me. I may not have even heard you. I may have been feeling a bit gassy. Of the many other possible explanations, dirty looks and holier than thou intent are the least likely.

David Hadaway:

I though CCRider's points were on the mark and managed to be so without calling individuals jerks or otherwise. If disagreement results in cries of 'go away we don't want to hear you!' who is well-served by that?

cheers,

CK

details don't matter Chris..

It was you, I was with someone else that recognized you as well...I manage to acknowledge people on the street even if they are total strangers, even while gassy...and I live with severe chronic pain..without pain meds... from my disability.

That is what divides the civil society from those of us that focus on ourselves...

Just an observation...

and to comment on your response to davidhadaway... you would!

cc see ya! gotta ride!

@Chris

To quote ccrider; "CCMike (and his sycophantic followers)", "twisting facts", "one trick pony", "in the meantime, yawn."

You think these statements are "on the mark" and some kind of rational civil discourse? Personally they seem more like the offensive ramblings of a troll.

Cheers

David

Lets just refresh people's memories on what we are talking about Chris Keam.. because you have cherry picked your argument but once again...

who actually started the name calling?

"I look forward to a full-fledged discussion on how we move Vancouver out of neutral and into the 21st Century."

Well that would be a switch... after the last 8 months wading through this blog I have yet to see CCMike (and his sycophantic followers) actually discuss issues without twisting facts and slinging mud at VV and their supporters on any and all occasions - simply a one trick pony.

It will be refreshing (and entertaining) when Mike needs to articulate real solutions to the voting public for a change, and I'll be on the edge of my seat if it happens. But I strongly suspect that it is many months away before he and his party actually have something cohesive to say on the important issues since the vast majority of the 20 NPAers are rookies …. in the meantime, yawn.
ccrider replied to comment from Mike Klassen | June 8, 2011 6:42 PM | Reply

ccrider... new moniker? the yawn gives you away...

we enjoy this blog and each other...

jerks like you.. we don't really like you either..go find your sanctimonious ilk elsewhere...
George replied to comment from ccrider | June 8, 2011 6:58 PM | Reply


Now this puts a whole different spin on things doesn't it Chris..

"details don't matter Chris"

No details means no opportunity to present the other side, or discount the facts. I can't imagine why one would be reluctant to state time and place of this supposed exchange George. If you won't tell me when and where, at least provide some rational reason why not.

David:

Sorry to say that many people have given up on Citycaucus as a source for good criticism of City Hall for precisely the reasons outlined by CCRider. I hear it all the time from many people who lurk, but have little interest in being subject to the idealogical gate-keeping of George and Max (to cite two of the most prolific defenders of CC).

Also, unless I've missed something, Mike K hasn't put up an election platform at this time, or a list of concrete proposals, so I too am looking forward to reading his recipe for success in matters municipal

Chris, so you've given up for the precise reasons given by ccrider. But what were those precise reasons? There was actually nothing precise or reasoned in the comment.

I don't agree with everything written on this blog, far from it, but it is a point of view that it is very useful to take in. To my mind the idea that giving a regular roasting to our leaders should always be dismissed as mudslinging is ridiculous. We live, supposedly, in a democracy where all politicians are accountable for everything they do. They aren't a bunch of tender flowers. As Harry Truman aptly observed, ".. if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."

He also, of course, had the sign "The buck stops here" on his desk, a concept alien to most of our leaders, except when buck means $ or a nice plate of venison!

The sign of a healthy democracy is vigorous, often vitriolic, debate. This can be seen even when dire circumstances require extreme solidarity, for an example I would think of some of the great debates in the British Parliament during the Second World War, after which many of the protagonists would take a beer together in the commons bar!

Maybe the future is one of calm, deferential consensus, in some ways that is already the case with the economic policies of debt servitude to which GR alluded earlier, I'll be glad not to live to see it.

Here is the kind of questioning I'd like to see here,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT9Sa-XXvYw&NR=1&feature=fvwp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRRYDVaXdaA&feature=related

by the great Jeremy "why is this lying bastard lying to me" Paxman.

David:

Didn't say I'd given up on CC, but noted that others don't expect to find balanced stories here.

Nonetheless, this has not much to do with democracy and everything to do with the expectations one might reasonably expect when commenting on this site. According the policy explicitly stated in the about us section, a certain level of decorum is requested of commenters. When it is routinely ignored by some of the most prolific participants, is it unwarranted to remind them of the supposed values of this community and expect them to live by them?

I met Francis Wong at City Hall during the Chinatown Heights Review. I didn't know who he was and we have never met but when I asked him how he and 50 supporters in red t-shirts gained access to chambers before security had opened the doors, he actually hissed at me "You lie!" and turned his back and walked away.
He was rude, dismissive, exclusionary and reactive.
When I recognized him in the above photo, I was surprised that someone who behaved so poorly in public was actually seeking public office. I didn't get any sense that he was objective or looking out for any public interest.
Not getting my vote.

Chris Keam

because I think you are a bully and my safety is priority # 1...pretty basic...

if a bully on the internet wanted your daughter/son's information, how would you council her/him??

david hadaway... I love the Boris Johnson clip.. good stuff..funny

George,

Are you serious? You're making a vague accusation without giving an ounce of evidence or specifics, find him guilty of the crime and then call him a bully?

be real boo..

I accused him of not saying hello to a stranger... newsflash, it isn't a "crime" just rude... big difference ..

as for the bullying part... history speaks for itself..

out of curiosity why do we always play this game when negative VV info comes on deck?...

we were all happily discussing Heather Deal, and our Vision Vancouver expenses and Chris started this silly little battle... why is that do you think?

"I accused him of not saying hello to a stranger... newsflash, it isn't a "crime" just rude... big difference .."

With absolutely no evidence or specifics to back it up.

George, I waved to you when I was walking down the street a few days ago and you just ignored me! You're so rude. I can't believe you did that.

I'm so sorry boohoo it won't happen again :-) I will always happily wave and say hello to you,

Funny story about you boohoo, I was actually talking about you today while having lunch with a friend.

We were discussing politics and this blog...

I stated to my friend that as much as I hated to say it, I agreed with you... I wish we could vote for politicians and not parties...

so there you go true story...

by the way boohoo

clever that you avoided responding to my question, why is it that when anything negative about Vision Vancouver is posted you or Chris divert attention... answer the question... Paxton wants to know...

You tell me tf; how is it after the new protest bylaw was passed, Mark Townsend, Sarah Blyth and others were able to access City Hall chambers through an 'unlocked door' to do a sit in???

This is after the supposed new 'secutiry measures' that the balance of us have to adhear to.

Yet, people protesting outside, get arrested.

So, what do Sarah Blyth, Mark Townsend, Gregor Robertson and Amy Robertson share in common????? (Aside from cheap haircuts by a non professional???)

"With absolutely no evidence or specifics to back it up."

Welcome to George-town. Where the 'bullies' are the individuals asking for some semblance of accountability and the
'victims' engage in behavior that would earn a pat on the head from Joseph McCarthy.

Oh, please Chris;

Don't try to play the innocent of all charges card.

This coming from 'George's' 'sock puppet'.

Max

You are right Chris I never should have mentioned that I saw you and you blew me off when I said hi.

I should have realized you were just gassy... I do apologize from the bottom of my heart.

So I'd love to discuss another topic with you....

congratulations on that 15,500 dollar grant for the cycling coalition...

Wow I'm just betting that the taxpayers are really happy to be funding that one for you. I know I am.... not

You realize this will be another stepping stone/argument as to why we need more separated bike lane 'trials'.

I wonder what the back up plan is for when it rains or snows....

Oh, right, Gregor the Great invested in a snow plow machine to clean the bike lanes, meanwihile the sidewalks are left a mess for pedestrians trying to make their way.

Note to City Hall - quit pandering to the cyclists!!!!

Another angry taxpayer!

OK Chris, I know I'm going to regret this but McCarthyism?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taancRcLQ8o&feature=related

Really? Really?

And I'm still waiting for you to help me with the "precise reasons" you think were given by the charming ccrider which, obtusely, I just can't seem to identify.

"congratulations on that 15,500 dollar grant for the cycling coalition"

Since I don't work for the cycling coalition I'm not sure what you're referring to. Please be specific.

"You are right Chris I never should have mentioned that I saw you and you blew me off when I said hi. "

When and where? Please be specific so I can at least figure out if I was even in the area during this alleged brush-off, which, the longer we go without a time and place, seems more and more like a made-up piece of malarkey.

David:

Yeah, McCarthyism. To be sure a weak variety, but this definition seems pretty spot on from my vantage point.

"The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries."

Until George puts up some evidence, his comments are unsubstantiated and an attack on my character. They are also contradictory. George has claimed I know him, now he's a 'stranger'. Failure to provide a locale and time for this alleged bout of rudeness can only cast further doubt on George's story.

Note how he's now trying to drag another organization into the debate, even though it has no bearing on the topic at hand or even the side conversations. Guilt by association. Classic Joe McCarthy tactic.

So soon after his plea to stay on topic too.

Chris;

I've read the 2009 Financial Statements for VACC- and I am pretty sure your name was listed under...

PROGRAM DIRECTORS
& CONTRACTORS 2009......page 4

Chris Keam Media & Communications
Coordinator

I'm sorry Chris are you not listed as being on the board of said organization?

Max
What is a contractor?

"And I'm still waiting for you to help me with the "precise reasons" you think were given by the charming ccrider which, obtusely, I just can't seem to identify."

1) The slide of CityCaucus from a place of good debate albeit with a slant, to an echo chamber... where a dissenting opinion is called a jerk and told to go away. That's not good for the discussion or the site itself IMO.

2) Mike Klassen as yet hasn't put forth a platform or articulated his solutions to the problems CC hammers on again and again. One hopes he will offer up those ideas soon enough that they can be adequately debated and examined before the election. Like ccrider, I'm looking forward to learning what he's going to propose to do while in Council.

I'm interested in knowing more about the bike cart grant money. Why is the City/taxpayer providing this funding.

Max:

It's 2011. Not 2009. That contract is long over. I don't work for the VACC. As you well know, since I made that clear the last time this topic came up.

A contractor is someone with specific qualifications that is brought in/hired to do a apecific job.

ie: media and communications

I've worked as a 'contractor' for various companies over the years.

It is a paid position.

George:

No, I'm not on the board of the VACC. I believe you're thinking of a different organization and a cash award that wasn't from the taxpayer's pocket.

Of course, knowing that you are researching my associations and work is only a bit creepy. Maybe I should be the one worried about safety?

From the 2010/2011 VACC Annual Report:
Under the heading of 'Advocacy' and when reading this, please keep in mind that more thatn 70% of the total dollars received by the VACC goes to salary. That includes monies from various levels of government and private donations.
****

The Vancouver/UBC Committee
successfully supported the City of Vancouver in implementing separated lanes downtown in the face of much controversy. We are proud
of all the hard work and many accomplishmentsof all our local advocacycommittees as they continue to be the backbone of the organization.

The VACC was pleased to see some
much needed cycling infrastructure
improvements installed in 2010—a
sign that our advocating voice is being
heard.
June 12: A new Still Creek Overpass
was opened on the Central Valley Greenway,
replacing the steep and narrow
pedestrian bridge that required cyclists
to dismount.
June 15: The Dunsmuir Bike Lanes held its
grand opening; the VACC led a celebratory ride
with Vancouver mayor, Gregor Robertson along
the newly installed separated bike lanes culminating
at an opening ceremony and Urban Bike
Fair.
Dec. 14: The Hornby Bike Lanes are completed and the VACC hosted a celebration stationto commemorate the linking of the Burrard bridge and Dunsmuir lanes that now create a
continuous safe cycling route through Downtown Vancouver.

George:

I reviewed the PDF you referenced. I have no official connection to either of the organizations that received that grant, although I wish them well in their efforts.

Chris

It has been posted that you were involved with VCC if I mistook the word paid contractor for board member I apologize...pototoe... potato

as for the other suggestion ha ha ha...

don't flatter yourself silly boy... you are a little paranoid...

You got me Chris, I don't know you and I never saw you!! LOL ;-) ;-)

Chris;

At this point, I cannot confirm your involvement witht the VCAA for 2010/2010. It seems, upon reading the financial statement, they changed their organizational structure.

Media, is now inlcuded within a committee.

Maybe you are, maybe you aren't.

Ahhh, but looky who is listed on the Board of Directors for VCAA: (I guess his company is benefiting under the Vision Green Regime)

Graham Anderson:

... is passionate about Vancouver, civic politics, local transportation solutions, and building happy, healthy communities. He is a founding member of SHIFT Delivery Co-op, an urban delivery business that uses heavy duty cargo trikes to transport goods in downtown Vancouver. Graham is a Director and Secretary with the East End Food Co-op, and a past Director of the Grandview Woodland Area Council. He has recently completed a degree in Dialogue, Sustainable Community Development, and Economics at Simon Fraser University.

"It has been posted"

Welcome to the Internet. Don't believe all you read. Do attempt some semblance of due diligence before trying to connect the dots. It took me less than a minute to find online both the VACC's current board and an org structure chart that clearly shows there's no contractor currently in a media and communications role.

Since you're choosing to remain anonymous and unaccountable for your statements, the responsible approach is to make darn sure of your facts before posting IMO.

"Maybe you are, maybe you aren't."

Max:

It's 2011. Not 2010 either. That contract is long over. I don't work for the VACC. As you well know, since I made that clear the last time this topic came up.

Should I just keep posting this until you take the 4.25 seconds necessary to read it? Dare I suggest you provide us with your real name, and you too can enjoy the fun and games of half-truths, outright lies, and weak retractions, served up with a side plate of insufficient fact-checking.

Seems 'Graham' also does a lot of writing for The Vancouver Observor.

That would be the Robertson/Vision/Solomon connection....

LOL

Chris:

You stated on several occasions that you had NO connection to the VCAA, you were not paid in any capacity.

You are now stating you were on contract with them - which we both know being 'on contract' is a paid position.

I look forward to your feedback....:)

funny Max

Vision just did the same thing with their wording, on their website, a lot of that going on these days...

"It has been posted"
Chris... it was posted on the VCAA site..I too look forward to your feedback...:-)

I would be interested as well.

"You stated on several occasions that you had NO connection to the VCAA, you were not paid in any capacity."

I don't think so. I have been quite clear about my relationship with the VACC and the fact that I have done some work for them in the past. Last I checked, working for a living wasn't illegal, even when the work and one's outside interests overlap.

Have you ever belonged to the Communist party Max? :-)

Take a look at my posting with regard to Graham Anderson from the VCAA - and his connections to the Vancouver Observor.

Robertson/Vision/Solomon

Linda Solomon, sister to Joel Solomon and Vision's biggest financial donor, is publisher of the Vancouver Observor.

George:

What other non-events can I deny for you today? Do your homework and come out swinging (if you'll permit a mixed metaphor) but if you can't, then man up, retract your comments, and apologize for unfairly characterizing my activities.

It's really that simple. Not sure why it's so hard for you and Max.

CK

Chris..I didn't misrepresent you ...I called you on your stuff..big difference.

Chris:

Hard it what way??

Hard for you to openly admit you were employed by the VCAA at one point - not too long ago?

SF:

What 'stuff'? Same advice for you. Please, do some homework, come up with a plausible scenario that needs investigation and share your findings. That's the only fair way to deal with these situations, especially when you choose anonymity. Otherwise, how can I defend myself, esp. when I don't even know who is making the inaccurate allegations?

thanks,

CK

Well, thanks, Chris, and if your interpretation of ccrider's statement resembled what he actually wrote, which you endorsed, that would be a very effective reply.

Anyway, here is my understanding of what is considered decorous discourse from the self appointed guardians of blog manners;

Sycophantic follower, Fact twister, Mud slinger, One trick pony, (mild) McCarthyist. Oh, and Yawn. But you can't call someone a jerk. And if I've missed anyone's favorite out, sorry, but life's too short. Over and out!

What is apparently hard for you Max is to deal fairly with others who don't share your political viewpoints, or refrain from making unsupported allegations. IMO, you need to do a check-in with your values and decide if your attempts to hurt others with poorly-researched, unfounded allegations is the kind of treatment you would consider fair and reasonable.

david hadaway... great points,

I apologized for that inappropriate "jerk" comment earlier this afternoon.. hours ago.

I distinctly remember changing it it Pompass Bully..

To tell you the truth I think Chris is ccrider.. funny how ccrider never came back. LOL

And I suggest that you Chris...

Take a very long look in the mirror.

"To tell you the truth I think Chris is ccrider"

Nope, not even close. I post under my real name here and elsewhere. At the Georgia Straight I use BikerCK, which is also my Youtube channel. I have nothing to hide George (if that is your real name) haha.

CK

...yawn....

We believe you.

Great work! There are lots of information in your posting, that are meant to be shared among the people. I think you did a fantastic job by sharing it in your blog.Keep it up.

Chris;

Is your denial about being CCRider the same as your denial about never being paid by the VACC?

Just wondering what world of denial you are operating in so we can get on the same page...

Sorry everyone for the dust up today..

I apologize for my behavior...I started out defending Mike and fellow posters over ccrider's comment, and ended up spending way too much time getting derailed...I tend to defend people.

Thanks to Max and davidhadaway for being the voice of reason..

I'm really very sorry..

I've never denied being paid by the VACC Max. In fact, the other time it came up it was only because I disclosed the connection before commenting on a story (where you commented many times). To claim I have denied being paid, or that it's news to you is simply not a credible position. At what point will you cease repeating something you knew from the outset to be untrue?

The Thought of The Night

"1800. Starsbourg. Armand d'Hubert - Regalist. Gabriel Féraud - Bonapartist. Hussars... 2011. Vancouver. Chris Keam - Man of Vision. George - Man of Honour "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VVHSounmrE

Gentlemen, I am not privy to your physical condition, so I'm suggesting duelling pistols.

Saturday.

7.00 AM.

Behind the Salt Building in the Olympic Village...for privacy and confidentiality.

Rain or shine.

One witness each.
George, bring Max.
Chris, bring Richard.

I'll bring coffee and donuts.

We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

Glissando
I've got a great body and a flowing mane of hair...

Glissando Remmy is back!
You have to admit to it. Chris, Richard, David, George,Max...busted!
:-)

Ned.

huh ...I don't understand what am I busted for ..

What did I do wrong ?...

George, didn't say you were wrong...hence the... :-)
But you guys started to sound (around the 88 comment) like in the schoolyard.
Like what we started here, again... :-)
Have a good one. Go Canucks, to the Moon!

Ned
I'm not really sure what you mean but with Chris you just can't win even when you apologize to end it... he just knows how to push buttons... many times I say I was wrong just to make peace.. it's my nature...

but if you really think about it and follow along you realize his objective was met, he diverted attention away from the topic..

I just was cranky enough to fall into it..but I must admit what I said yesterday.... it takes a very small man to keep score...it matters not who wins or loses... it is how you play the game..:-)

I try ... but some times I fall...and yes, some people have the ability to bring it to the level of school yard bullying..every time..

Ned .. just reread your post ... I get it..
I'm slow today humiliation does that to me :-)

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