Fair questions about Renewal Partners, Vision Vancouver's biggest donor

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A ribbon gets cut at the launch of the Tides/Renewal Centre in 2009 – click for larger

CityCaucus.com is pleased to present the writing and research of Vivian Krause. Ms. Krause is an expert on the financing of Canadian-based ENGOs and their connections to foreign (U.S.) interests. Today we present her 'fair questions' regarding Renewal Partners, run by Vision Vancouver insiders Joel Solomon and Martha Burton. Renewal Partners is recorded as the single largest business political campaign donor in the history of B.C. municipal politics.

"The difference with Solomon and Newell, both born and raised in the United States, was that they focused their investments in one region to make the most sweeping change possible on a social, business, environmental, and political scale. The area they chose was Metro Vancouver, where the pair has been responsible for millions and millions of dollars in various types of business investments, charitable contributions and, more recently, enthusiastic backing for the city's new left-leaning mayor, Gregor Robertson."

- Lori Culbert, Vancouver SUN, 8 August 2010.

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In Vancouver's 2008 municipal election, the biggest financial backers of the winning political party were Renewal Partners and Strategic Communications, a P.R. company that says that it is a "partner" of Renewal Partners. According to the Vancouver Sun's on-line database, Renewal Partners contributed $70,469 and Strategic Communications contributed $83,314. Considering their financial heft in Vancouver's most recent election, its fair for the public to inquire to some extent about these companies.

One of first things that surprises me is that both Renewal Partners and Strategic Communications are "extra-provincial." Renewal Partners is registered in Halifax and Strategic Communications, in Ontario.

Renewal Partners describes itself as a seed-capital investment firm and says that it invests in "new products and services needed for sustainability, such as organic food production and distribution, responsible investing, independent media, and greener consumer products." Whether or not those are the products and services that are most needed for sustainability, is a separate issue. Nonetheless, that's what Renewal Partners says that it is investing in.

Renewal Partners says that it has invested in "over 75 companies." At the web-site of Renewal Partners, I could find the names of only 26 of these companies. For three of these 26 companies (Altrushares, Eatmore Sprouts and The Nimble Company), I could not find a B.C. company summary or any other on-line information about the existence of these companies.

Renewal Partners says that it has invested "heavily" in British Columbia. Of the 23 companies for which I could find information, only eight are or were located in Vancouver. A further five companies are in Canada but not based in Vancouver. Ten of the 23 companies - nearly half - in which Renewal Partners has invested are based in the U.S..

Why so much investment in the United States?

Joel Solomon talks about Vancouver as his crucible for social change. "Vancouver is the city that Solomon believes is best positioned to move to a new plane," Solomon told Vancouver journalist, Frances Bula. If so, why is it that Renewal Partners has invested in more companies in the United States than in Vancouver?

Joel Solomon has been asked these questions since September 13, 2010. No reply has been received.

The American companies in which Renewal Partners reports that it has invested are:

All of these companies may be helping to make the world a better place, but if Joel Solomon and Renewal Partners' primary interest is in making Vancouver a model for social change and sustainability, why are they investing in companies in New Hampshire, New York, Colorado, Vermont and California?

To lead a shift towards sustainability - as Joel Solomon and Renewal Partners aim to do - aren't there higher priorities than fruit juice, cosmetics and grocery delivery? Of all the "green" products that Renewal Partners could invest in, why pizza? Why re-usable maxipads?

Two of the companies in which Renewal Partners has apparently invested, are real estate companies: Renewal Land Company and Village Real Estate, based in Nashville, Tennessee. According to U.S. tax returns, Joel Solomon has 10 percent ownership in Village Real Estate. If true, what this means, if I'm not mistaken, is that Renewal Partners has invested in a company in which Joel Solomons has partial ownership.

Another entity which the Endswell Foundation says that is has supported, is Hollyhock, an ocean-front facility on Cortes Island. B.C. company summaries show that the president of both Hollyhock Farm Ltd. and Hollyhock Centre Ltd. is Joel Solomon. During the summer of 2010, Hollyhock had at least 10 employees who provided "bodywork" services which cost from $85 to $170 per hour. Bodywork is offered by Hollyhock Farm Ltd., a for-profit corporation that operates on the grounds of Hollyhock, the ocean-front charity facility.

Prior to entering B.C. politics, the treasurer of Hollyhock Farm Ltd., in 2004, was Mayor Gregor Robertson. The only other two officers of this company, at the time, were Joel Solomon and Martha Burton, the current treasurer of Vision Vancouver.

Vancouver-based Companies:

B.C.-Based Companies:

Canadian Companies Outside of B.C.:

U.S. Companies:

  • Stonyfield Farm - an organic yogurt company in New Hampshire. For info from Renewal Partners, click here.

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58 Comments

Finely something with some meat on it,this is where the real problems lay.

Wow is all I can say...

the tentacles of Tides Foundation are so deep and far reaching... excellent work Vivian.. this is an eye opener ...

My stomach just sunk...

Well Max now we understand the Batista connection with Saltspring coffee... Urban Potatoes, Next Generation Cleaning products, I can never use any of these products..

Why does this feel like a cult??

Thinking about telepathy, Vivian...as I was posting this comment on the previous post...LMAO!

The Thought of The Evening

'A Green Job is the new euphemism for A New Racket Job. Think 'Renewal Fund' instead of 'Vulture Fund'. Sounds innocent, most definitely it will cost you more to upkeep, but it will make you feel better when the time for that flight to New York would fall into your taxpayer funded travel and entertainment budget. I wonder...what would Andrea do?'

FYI Max...Def: 'A Vulture Fund is a private equity or hedge fund that invests in debt issued by an entity that is considered to be very weak or dying on our Happy Planet, or whose debt is in imminent default. The name is a metaphor comparing these investors to vultures patiently circling, waiting to pick over the remains of a rapidly weakening Juicy company.'

A fund like this comes and goes with the Tides both in Canada and the US, and if the fund is left in its FD Element to grow, you as an investor would soon enough be breathing more easily. 'All's well that Endswell!' they say.

I dunno, I may be wrong here, so don't quote me on that. It might not end well for them after all...I know that for the Canada Post employees it didn't.

We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

(Glissando Remmy replied to comment from Max | May 21, 2011 10:37 PM | Reply)


.........

...and this one from a few days back, again, LMAO!

The Quick Thought of The Midday

"Talking about spending and ...subsidies? Penny Ballem - $315,000+ PIY(per incompetent year); Aufochs Sadhu -$210,000+ PIY; add to this two another dozen of newly hired Hollyhock first cousins for a $1,000,000+ worth of incompetence and top it with...Gregor Robertson $149,000+ PIY; Seven Vision Councillors - $455,000+ PIY; Two COPE Councillors $130,000+ PIY; One NPA Councillor - $65,000+ PIY;...yeah, let's talk about this spending!"

Tides Canada, Renewal,Solomon, Hollyhock, Robertson, Vision Vancouver, Endswell,Ballem, City Hall...this is your devastating Tsunami, Vancouver!

Maybe FD Element will pick...on the following suggestions and score a PR campaign accordingly...

New City Hall Slogan:

'You've Got To Pick a Pocket or Two'

Vision Vancouver Party Anthem:
(recorded during their last Budget Review and Action 500 Plan)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_04zmotNrc&NR=1

Lyrics:
(may be changed accordingly, to better frame the present time)

'Robin Hood, what a crook
Gave away what he took
Charity's fine, subscribe to mine
Get out and pick a pocket or two
You've got to pick a pocket or two, boys,
You've got to pick a pocket or two
Robin Hood was far too good,
We've got to pick a pocket or two'

We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

(Glissando Remmy | May 17, 2011 1:52 PM | Reply)

You don't have to convince me, Vivian! Excellent job.

Must agree Glissy about the telepathy..

This week I jokingly made up an acronym for the cyclists to replace Nimby... I called it NIMBLE... "not in my bike lane elitist"... tongue in cheek, to deflect slights against Julia by the biking fanatics...

Reading this post by Vivian imagine my surprise when I see one of the companies funded is called NIMBLE...that is just creepy!!

The Thought of The Midnight

'“La vérité, l’âpre vérité” - “The truth, the harsh truth” - Danton (I wish I said that!)'

George,
I never fancied the empty words (like 'green' or 'organic' or 'sustainable' or 'affordable'...), idling talk, publicity filled airtime...you get the point. When I mentioned earlier the term 'Vulture Fund' that was not just for the sake of my narrative, or because it sounded intriguing.
No, I meant it.

One example:
Take Jorg & Olif. on Vivian' list.

I came across this bike novelty shop which at the time was owned by a duo + a baby on the way, 'struggling' to sell a bike every two months in Vancouver. After moving around the city for a few years, with a stunt on fourth, one on Granville island and last across from the present BestBuy store on Cambie (next to Expedia). Hard to do business in Vancouver with bikes that copied the Dutch ones 100% which meant...one speed bikes, oops, not so good for the up and downs of our city. And then let's talk price, $795 to $1295 for a bike that would carry your grocery bag...and if you get the right three wheels model,possibly your kid and his dog in the front box, but only if you do it in Richmond on flat land LOL.
Hence the vultures. Cue the hunters!

The thing is someone 'rescued' them obviously in the same manner they rescued a 'renowned' dying 'juice business' many years back.
Speaking of signing your name in blood and cutting a deal with the devil. LOL It must have been good.
It turned out OK so far for our local Buoy.

For the ones interested to see how it all ends I recommend, if you don't have the patience to read the Doctor Faustus book by the Elizabethan writer Christopher Marlowe, to rent and watch Rene Clair's interpretation in 'The Beauty and The Devil' (La Beaute du Diable) with Gerard Philipe - da best!.

(Here's the scene where a young 'Dr. Gregor' is offering the job of City Manager to a better looking 'Dr. Penny')

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugMNli-ZANk

(Solomon playing the balalaika in the background is tediously impressive.)

We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

PS
Again Vivian, tremendous research, thank you!

As detailed as this analysis is, it must be remembered that these data are at least 18-months old. What has The Tide been up to in the intervening months?

Kudos to Vivian for an awesome investigative reporting piece.

Kudos to Joel Solomon. He has done excellent work in the time scince he has come to Vancouver in making this a better place to work and to do business. We need a lot more people like him. It does something to counter the massive influence of other US interests in shaping Canadian policy - the Fraser Instutute to begin with, along with the disinformation campaign on energy issues, fish farming and climate change. It is great to have the beginning of balance. I know this threatens vested interests, and they get nasty when threatened.

You are obviously entitled to your opinions, but it must be remembered that they prove nothing.

@Steven Forth.

"I know this threatens vested interests, and they get nasty when threatened."

Hmm. This sounds familiar to the way the Tides/Vision/Hollyhock have dismissed Vivian's inquiries. Are you suggesting that she is supported and/or funded by "vested interests"?

I expect Vivian would have stood down ages ago if Solomon & co. had bothered to respond openly to her inquiries. Instead they peppered her with legal threats, altered records and proceeded to dive under deeper cover.

And to think Gregor Robertson actually ran on an openness and accountability campaign plank. Orwell must be smiling in his grave.

the challenge I see with this entire Tides story is that the majority of Vancouverites either do not want to take the time to learn about it nor do they understand why this is so disturbing. How does this story get explained in 2 minutes or less - that is likely the attention span of the voter.

I have no problem with developing a kinder, gentler way to move our society forward but when it comes to politics, disclosure and social engineering, I think we need to know who is controlling the agenda. If we like it fine - but we should have the right to know all the facts and to choose based on those facts.

This whole thing makes me very, very uncomfortable.

"Why does this feel like a cult??"

I think it was the 500 year plan that was the giveaway.

Daniel, where is my post? Sent, hmm, twice round midnight!? Just curious what happened...

Glissado,
I believe it is there, I responded to you..

sorry dropped the n.... 'Glissando'..need an edit button...

The Thought of The Day

'Steven Forth sounds very much like one... Adele Chow. What's with that?'

Few days ago on Fabula, Adele penned the best pieces of satire I never wrote. I already thanked her for that.

Pearls of pearls. Here we go:

‘Vision Vancouver is standing up for the best interests of the public with progressive policies that support sustainable urban living.’
CLASSIC!

‘Mayor Robertson is the best person to continue the fight against street homelessness, and with another mandate, he can eliminate it altogether.’
GENIUS!

‘Penny Ballam has been a big improvement as the City Manager. She is trying to fix an organization that isn’t used to thinking outside the box.’
POWERFUL!

‘Vision and COPE have also given us the best School Board we’ve ever had. ‘
VISIONARY!

‘It will be a “Happy Planet” for us all if he continues to lead and set a sustainable example for other cities in the world’
PSYCHEDELIC!

‘Yes, we live in Vancouver. Population: 642,843 (2010).’
CATATONIC!

But here’s the thing, please allow me:

‘We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.’

Apparently Adele and Steven, live on a Vision Plantation from a Happy Planet! And shhhh, just don't tell them about your vested interests...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ORv_YEQr68


Funny thing George! It was a second comment of mine,re. to one of the companies in Vivian's list - Jorg & Olef. If nothing happens in the next few hours I'll resend it probably late evening when I'll be back. It has some French links...could be the culprit :-)
Greetings.

My sincerest apologies Glissando. One of my junior IT staff inadvertently put your comment in our spam filter. I've already had a discussion with them and told them this kind of error is simply unacceptable. A note has been put on their human resources file!

This is Vancouver and my staff keep me busy!

"I think it was the 500 year plan that was the giveaway"

Don't exaggerate bill, it's only 400....and lots of normal people & organizations have 400 year plans....just look at scientoligists. ;)

Maybe our problem is we just haven't drank the koolaid....

Wow, what a great researcher. She claims that she couldn't find any information on Eatmore Sprouts or Altrushares.

It took me all of 30 seconds to google and find http://www.eatmoresprouts.com/ and http://www.altrushare.com/

"If so, why is it that Renewal Partners has invested in more companies in the United States than in Vancouver?" What a silly question. Maybe because they are good investments. Maybe the US is around 400 times larger than Vancouver so of course there are many more investment opportunities.

Why did the Canada Pension Plan Board invest in Skype, an American company? I can't be sure but I am glad they did. We are several hundred million dollars ahead because of that. Why have Bill Gates and Warren Buffet invested in CN? Because it is a good investment. Oh, by the way, CN contributed to the NPA but it is probably no big deal. Is it? Of course it isn't.

It is a global economy. Deal with it. Enough of these silly questions.

Daniel,
I got that. Thanks for looking into it. No need to pick on the junior IT guys either. Not on my account, no! :-)
"To Err Is Human, To Forgive Divine"
As a matter of fact I would appreciate if you could delete my short comments on this 'spam filter' thing, for the sake of brevity, oh, including this one i am writing right now LOL
Thanks

Didn't Christy promise to look into foreign funding of municipal campaigns? One wonders if she'll get to that before November...

The Thought of The Night

“The best thing Milton Friedman ever did for Humanity was...to die. Dead at 94. Survived by his Corporate Cancers: the Global Economy and the Free Market...”

So Richard,
It was the summer of 1970 when Milton Friedman wrote in the New York Times « The Social Responsability of Business is to increase its Profits ». His position was clear: ’the principal objective of a company is to optimize its profits and therefore to return to the shareholders their investment, while respecting the laws of the country in which it operates’. In our days few CEO's will have the cohones to make this statement. On the contrary they would rather portray themselves as social investors and philanthropists.

Enter the 'chosen ones' Around The Law in 80 Charities nad Investment Funds.

Again, let me rephrase that.

In our days, Solomon, Newell,etc., can always pretend some responsibility for the social well-being of their stakeholders, all that’s left though...is fair game.

Here’s one story on the Ms. ‘I’m not $worthy$’ Carol Newell and her new found board game of Vanopoly played around the table by her Hollyhock friends (go look up at ‘shared-vision’ dot com – the secret millionaire) for the fun of it, the story of a Princess turned Cinderella turned Greedzzela.

Together with Joe L. and other good Solomaritans they pulled their veil of sanctity and preached out to the peons ‘It’s not about the money. We don’t talk or care about the money around the kitchen table in here. It’s all about you and the environment and the food and the air and the juice...’

Complete and total Pish.

Considering for a start, the generous remuneration they are paying each other, for basically no work, through intricate accounting moves, donations, loans, investments, dividends, or through highly paid jobs obtained through pure intimidation, jobs with hidden clauses and massive separation agreements, inside the first corporations they could lay their bony hands on.
City Hall of Vancouver is one of their casualties, the citizens of Vancouver – collateral damage..

And now to end on a high note, a memento, from one of my old 16mm Arriflex shot, home movies, a favourite scene of mine, the one where we all sit around the table (Carol, Joel, Linda, Gregor, Andrea, Geoff, Aufochs, Penny...and myself, in character) not discussing about money, or politics , or the 500 year plan. Not discussing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIgltzjwNd0

NOTE TO READERS:
I am the well spoken, down to earth, good looking one!

We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

The Thought of The Night

“The best thing Milton Friedman ever did for Humanity was...to die. Dead at 94. Survived by his Corporate Cancers: the Global Economy and the Free Market...”

So Richard,
It was the summer of 1970 when Milton Friedman wrote in the New York Times « The Social Responsability of Business is to increase its Profits ». His position was clear: ’the principal objective of a company is to optimize its profits and therefore to return to the shareholders their investment, while respecting the laws of the country in which it operates’. In our days few CEO's will have the cohones to make this statement. On the contrary they would rather portray themselves as social investors and philanthropists.

Enter the 'chosen ones' Around The Law in 80 Charities nad Investment Funds.

Again, let me rephrase that.

In our days, Solomon, Newell,etc., can always pretend some responsibility for the social well-being of their stakeholders, all that’s left though...is fair game.

Here’s one story on the Ms. ‘I’m not $worthy$’ Carol Newell and her new found board game of Vanopoly played around the table by her Hollyhock friends (go look up at ‘shared-vision’ dot com – the secret millionaire) for the fun of it, the story of a Princess turned Cinderella turned Greedzzela.

Together with Joe L. and other good Solomaritans they pulled their veil of sanctity and preached out to the peons ‘It’s not about the money. We don’t talk or care about the money around the kitchen table in here. It’s all about you and the environment and the food and the air and the juice...’

Complete and total Pish.

Considering for a start, the generous remuneration they are paying each other, for basically no work, through intricate accounting moves, donations, loans, investments, dividends, or through highly paid jobs obtained through pure intimidation, jobs with hidden clauses and massive separation agreements, inside the first corporations they could lay their bony hands on.
City Hall of Vancouver is one of their casualties, the citizens of Vancouver – collateral damage..

And now to end on a high note, a memento, from one of my old 16mm Arriflex shot, home movies, a favourite scene of mine, the one where we all sit around the table (Carol, Joel, Linda, Gregor, Andrea, Geoff, Aufochs, Penny...and myself, in character) not discussing about money, or politics , or the 500 year plan. Not discussing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIgltzjwNd0

NOTE TO READERS:
I am the well spoken, down to earth, good looking one!

We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

"while respecting the laws of the country in which it operates’. In our days few CEO's will have the cohones to make this statement"

Glissando, well said!!

And I agree, you are the best looking one at the table..

Now if we could only convince you to run for office... ;-)

"Oh, by the way, CN contributed to the NPA but it is probably no big deal. Is
it? Of course it isn't."

It's no big deal because CN has not said they were going to transform Vancouver.

This is totally off topic, but it started to make me think...especially about a global economy..

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Feces+imported+food+from+less+developed+countries+rising+concern/4827169
/story.html

I personally don't eat organic, and I love to eat meat...this article might make me pay more attention to my food preparation... a little more scrubbing might be important..

There are so many low income families that can't afford "organic", "free range".. etc.. they buy whatever is on sale, the cheap stuff...

Funny those disposable poor folks can eat s**t...while politicians and this merry band of Tides converts spout how they are helping us (wink wink)..

Global economy on the backs of the poor and downtrodden has just taken on another meaning..

So has the term... "eat s**t"


@Bill your comment caught my eye...
CN made contributions to NPA?

The same CN of RC Rail fame? or infamy..that is troubling to me... they may not be taking over Vancouver, but I am still to hear why we have no answers as to the sale of BC Rail.. and 6 million dollars worth of legal fees were paid out, when we have homeless and people sleeping on mats eating out of date food.... cutbacks to disability cheques... eating cheap produce from countries not adhering to hygienic practices.

It is all relative to me in the big picture..we are all judged by the company we keep...

hummm that kind of ruined my day...almost as much as a poll that asks me where my ancestors come from...

I want to know who to trust... and it is getting very difficult!!

I do trust you Glissando..

The existence of organizations like Tides/Renewal or its right wing equivalents is a commentary on the way that great wealth can create self perpetuating institutions exempt from the normal responsibilities imposed by society, such as paying tax or political accountability. Presented as a force for good by their supporters from whatever shade of the political spectrum, they are perhaps better seen as an example of the inherent dysfunction which also spawns ungovernable corporations.

This concentration of wealth and power occurs repeatedly through history. From medieval times governments faced "overmighty subjects', ultimately dealt with by treason trials and the axe; in early modern times the church (locking up over a third of England's wealth by the 1530s) was dealt with by Dissolution and Reformation. More recently and humanely we have seen anti-trust laws and inheritance tax, now on the retreat but for which Glissando's excerpt from 'The Aviator' makes an excellent argument! But what to do when their descendants have bought themselves the best democracy money can buy?

I'm not advocating the executioner's block for the Hollyhockers, of course, but they do represent a provincial outgrowth of a significant and growing problem which will eventually need to be resolved.

Thanks, David Hadaway, for providing a balanced perspective, which is sadly lacking in the partisan, knee-jerk rhetoric on display here (on both sides).

I’ve read most of Vivian Krause’s pieces on this issue, and feel she has a serious credibility gap. This “article” is a prime example. She is basically saying that Renewal has a diversified portfolio of investments, which is balanced between local and international companies. Kinda like what any good investment counsellor would recommend for your RSP portfolio. What is it exactly that strikes such fear-mongering and condemnation here?

I personally find the influence on the BC Liberals/NPA of billionaire corporate interests represented by the likes of David McLean and Gwyn Morgan to be far more troublesome to our democratic and public interests than someone who invests in companies that give over-priced backrubs or sell biodegradable tampons. You can choose not to purchase those products and services, but do citizens have ANY real choice in the pipeline across BC that vested interests like Morgan (one of Clarke’s personal advisors) are pushing for, or the sale of a billion dollar public asset like BC Rail (which McLean’s company benefited from)? Solomon’s “influence” on a municipal government is small (actually miniscule) potatoes by comparison.

But the real issue here is campaign finance reform, is it not? If BOTH sides are guilty of bending the rules and peddling special interests (a fact which Krause and Klassen conveniently and consistently ignore, leaving a credibility gap one could drive a locomotive through), then isn’t campaign finance reform (at all levels of government) the obvious solution?

Until Krause and Klassen and the others who are fear-mongering against Solomon/Vision propose this solution, and advocate publicly for rule changes that level the playing field and remove the influence of vested interests on ALL sides, their one-sided criticism will continue to ring hollow. The revelation (below) that CN donates to the NPA underlines the problematic and less-than-genuine concerns being raised (see, for example, George's reaction to this news).

Until wanna-be politicians and journalists like Klassen and Krause stand up for democracy and the public interest (rather than their own thinly-disguised self-interests and oil-heavy investment portfolios), and start proposing real, constructive reform to a system that appears to be full of loopholes that breed pervasive corruption, the thinly disguised moral outrage on display should be taken for what it really is: hypocrisy.

Gassy Jack's Ghost...

"The revelation (below) that CN donates to the NPA underlines the problematic and less-than-genuine concerns being raised (see, for example, George's reaction to this news)."

I would appreciate some clarity here.. I think your statement as to my less than genuine reaction, is incorrect. You obviously have not been paying attention to my posts on a regular basis, or you would have known this..

You have no idea how I feel about this situation and to state otherwise is is really a very poor observation..and incorrect..

I have strong opinions/concerns about both Tides Foundation and the Liberal party.. That means both the NDP and Liberal parties are both not deserving of my vote..

Until some answers are forthcoming...or an Independent comes forward..my vote will not go to either Vision nor NPA as IMO they are farm teams for them both..

I am concerned by the incestuous connections and corruption of power in both parties to be unpalatable.

correction.. that should read and I find them both unpalatable... :-)

I agree that an axe might be a little harsh,but pitchforks and torches would be in order.Its amazing how many are willing to sellout their country in order to promote their own twisted agenda.And it shouldnt matter what side of the fence your on.

My biggest problem George is that we seem to have become a trivial people in Canada.
We are people who live in a country that could be so wonderful BUT we spend time fighting over the most bizarre things going.

Bike lanes (I admit it, it's a pet peeve of mine.)

The rest of the world is fighting for democracy and we have arguments forever over bike lanes.

Now we have the eco group that thinks they can change the world by making us buy organic.
What the hell does that mean?

An impoverished country just bull dozed their natural habitat to grow organic coffee?


Chris(one of many)
I know, I think as Canadians we are slowly being desensitized to basics like integrity, honesty, honor...

It seems to be all about money and self indulgence.. and I must admit that I have a big problem with the holier than thou mentality....

If we respected our fellow man, and showed respect as a daily part of life perhaps everyone would be more engaged and involved..It is difficult when you're constantly being referred to as a dinosaur for having a different opinion.. Ageism is the new discrimination.

I wasn't there, but my father always told me that people were kinder during the depression, and people had greater respect for their country after the war..

I was raised frugally, gardened, took transit.. because a car was expensive..we always had food and were the first on the block to own a TV... I never thought I was better or worse off than the next person..so I see both sides

It's the sanctimonious drivel and lack of honesty that tunes me out to the message..

Generations always have disagreements, but the level of hate and self indulgence that is presenting itself in Vancouver these days, by the environmental protectors, and social change activists.. has come to a new low level...

And don't get me started on crooked politicians and unions sucking at the trough... :-)

They rule us with the 2F system,fear and feelgood.They push and prod and poke some more they trample our rights and when we push back they step back,but never back to where they started and that puts us behind.

Here's something related to past articles by Ms Krause, I won't express an opinion except to say that it maybe, like the similar pipeline we can expect in BC, puts our Vancouver obsessions into perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Its91EsyR7o&feature=player_embedded

"We're just tryna have a little advisory committee here for f***s sake"! Gregor Robertson Thursday July 8, 2010

Gerry, that mayor's West End advisory committee is a f**king joke by the way.

The public has no way of knowing how members got picked for this partisan Vision committee. Co-chair Cherie Payne recently resigned to remove the appearance of a conflict of interest because she's running for school board as... Vision.

For most other committee members, the lines between them and Vision also run close. Andrea Reimer may call them community leaders when really many are just Vision friends or opportunists.

Their purpose was to establish community priorities in the West End. Instead they spend an unusual amount of time in private meetings with the architect of 1401 Comox, and say nothing on the possible loss of the tulip tree at 1245 Harwood which the community is beside itself about.

The people gregor slammed as f**king NPA hacks were right from the get go.

"I wasn't there, but my father always told me that people were kinder during the depression, and people had greater respect for their country after the war.."

Barry Broadfoot's book on the Depression "Ten Lost Years" should be required reading for anyone pining for the 'good old days' that never were.

The gov't was in the hands of big business. The little guy had to sell out his neighbour to get by. Women had to do whatever it took to feed their kids. Please don't romanticize the Depression (or war).

Chris...
there was hardly any romance in my statement I spoke MY experience... and are you telling me I should trust an unknown author over my Father...or in your opinion my Father's opinion is worthless?

Give your head a shake Chris...was this comment even worth the time.. or do you have an agenda just to bully?

If you want to continue to BULLY me... go for it.. it makes you look even smaller than you've painted yourself to be...

Yes George, I trust Barry Broadfoot's exhaustive interviews of people from all walks of life to be more accurate than one person's secondhand account.

As for being an unknown author, most people familiar with Canadian history recognize Broadfoot's contributions to our understanding of Canada as a big part of the reason he received the Order of Canada.

You expressed an opinion. I disagreed. If that's bullying then I don't know what to say.

Chris...
You are so right Chris...bully away!!!! I trust your opinion more than my father's..
My Father was obviously wrong, or perhaps he lived in a good neighborhood and had a more positive outlook on people and life than you and the author...going after the intelligence attack again huh Chris...

I understand that you would rather redirect the conversation from today's post.... not going to happen...

Today's post is great.... loved the piggy...

The news is working overtime to announce the results of the "Street Homeless" count so what do you think Chris... will it be skewed, or has Gregor done a good job? :-)

I wonder if the GM of Horizon Distribiton Service, Terri Newell, is any relation to Carol Newell of .....Tides.

This whole structuring reminds me of a carnival shell game.

"I understand that you would rather redirect the conversation from today's post.... not going to happen..."

Don't be silly. Let's talk about how effective an anti-Vision campaign from an NPA candidate will be if the focus is on flip-flops. That would make for a great discussion.

Unfortunately, I'll be away all day, so you'll have to soldier on without me.

or we could talk special interest groups...:-)

that always gets the conversation going.... ;-)

CKNW is discussing the skewed politics of Hornby Bike lanes ... gotta go!!

Glissando Remmy!
You kept busy this past weekend.
Thanks pal.

After reading all the comments in here I want to congratulate all of you for not buying into the Vision/ Hollyhock crap.
ON the other hand I have this to say to the following:
Steven Forth, Richard, Chris Keam
'Take your heads out of your collective Vision/ Hollyhock propaganda imbibed asses and smell the roses. I am not buying your ramblings people. If Solomon vultures didn't call you yet I'll put a word for you. You'll be great ass-ets for their 500 bootlegging plan. Of course, if you are not already on the wagon, or off the wagon, take your pick.
David Hadaway made good remarks in here:
'The existence of organizations like Tides/Renewal or its right wing equivalents is a commentary on the way that great wealth can create self perpetuating institutions exempt from the normal responsibilities imposed by society, such as paying tax or political accountability. Presented as a force for good by their supporters from whatever shade of the political spectrum, they are perhaps better seen as an example of the inherent dysfunction which also spawns ungovernable corporations... now on the retreat but for which Glissando's excerpt from 'The Aviator' makes an excellent argument!"

WATCH THIS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIgltzjwNd0

As always, Glissando Remmy finds the right way to send his message. Got it!

I agree Higgins. Take all Glissy's comments on this CC feature alone and you have a longer opinion piece than most posts in here. CC could get his opinion on most civic matters (they get it anyway :-) ), hey Daniel, I am talking common sense 101 here, I know he is not a 'NPA candidate' but I am sure he could come up with something intriguing and worth reading. He always does! As for the three Vision Musketeers: Chris, Steven and Richard, LMAO!

I don't think that people are pining for the good old days that never were.
I think people are pining for a sense of community and connection.

My parents survived the depression and the war.

Both of them came from families that had suffered a great deal even before the depression.

They never romanticized either of these times.

They did talk about the fact that neighbours tried to help each other.

Do you know your next door neighbour?


"Do you know your next door neighbour?"

Actually I do (both sides), and a few other families on my block. But, it's irrelevant. The idea was put forth that people cared more about others during the Depression, but there's no reason to believe that's so. People are essentially the same as they always have been.

One need only look at the hundreds of thousands of people who will cycle, or walk, or run for various good causes, the statistics on charitable donations, and at ourselves, and ask are we less caring than our parents? I don't think so. The real-world indicators we might use to make that judgement (as opposed to individual reminiscences) seem to bear out my contention.

"ON the other hand I have this to say to the following:
Steven Forth, Richard, Chris Keam "

Failure to parrot CityCaucus talking points doesn't automatically mean somebody's a slavering acolyte of the other guys.

George, apologies if I misread your comment. I certainly wasn't suggesting you were suddenly going to join Vision!

I quoted your comment because it shows that you aren't blinded by partisanship, and expect all parties to be held to the same standard.

In other words, you clearly AREN'T a hypocrite. I hope I wasn't misreading that!

Gassy Jack... thank you soooooo much for the clarification...
I totally misread your comment..

You have no idea how much your taking the time to clarify means to me....After seeing the inner workings of Vision, I would never support them.

I have also tried very hard to not be a hypocrite..it is very important to me..

Visions agenda is to mow down anyone that might get in their way...been there, done that, received the sting.. and we have all seen a perfect example of this, in a certain commentators behavior.. ;-) ;-)

Thank you Gassy Jack.. enjoy your day, you've made mine.

"Failure to parrot CityCaucus talking points doesn't automatically mean somebody's a slavering acolyte of the other guys"

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.........

Do I need a special connection to get a response to my request through your website for information about the "Unconference" you're organizing?

Actually, this one's shorter and has better info on it, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjURoZPsZsE

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